Normativa coltelli

Li' lo poi fa perche' li' vogliono che lo fai.
Come ti pare non vogliono che ti comporti, quindi... "occhio" e discrezione.
Se vuoi star sicuro di non avere "fastidi".
Poi ognuno pesa vantaggi/rischi e si regola di conseguenza.
 
per lo stesso motivo per cui tu vieni lasciato libero di fare una escursione col rischio di farti male... e per fortuna dico io!
Bè ma non è proprio lo stesso.Perchè se mi faccio male lo Stato ha il dovere di soccorrermi perchè lo pago.Se guido pericolosamente o fumo in luoghi inadatti potrei fare del male a terzi, quindi il discorso del libero arbitrio è poco sostenibile, perchè c'è pure da considerare il libero arbitrio dell'altro.
 
Il concetto alla fine è sempre quello, ognuno valuti e decida in autonomia.

Da parte mia posso dire che in città sono veramente rare le volte che ho un coltello, direi che quando capita è una dimenticanza, mentre in montagna, a prescindere da qualsiasi cosa, è una abitudine ..... praticamente una certezza.

Poi magari non esce neanche dal fodero ed uso un "volgare" fornellino a gas, per cui non mi pongo il problema legna, ma è un abitudine a cui non rinuncio.

E sinceramente non ho mai avuto problemi di sorta, nei boschi, con le FFOO o assimilabili e neanche con quelli del luogo.

Ovviamente quello che và bene a me.... và bene a me :)..... ed altrettanto ovviamente se sino ad oggi non ho mai avuto problemi non vuol dire che non li possa avere (speriamo di no) domani.

Ciao :si:, Gianluca
 
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Bè ma non è proprio lo stesso.Perchè se mi faccio male lo Stato ha il dovere di soccorrermi perchè lo pago.Se guido pericolosamente o fumo in luoghi inadatti potrei fare del male a terzi, quindi il discorso del libero arbitrio è poco sostenibile, perchè c'è pure da considerare il libero arbitrio dell'altro.
Ma il libero arbitrio non cambia concettualmente, cambiano le conseguenze e gli effetti.

Si dovrebbe parlare del diritto di poter fare qualsiasi cosa e allora si potrebbe parlare di reciprocità ovvero che la mia libertà non debba ledere la tua libertà (cosa puramente teorica poichè una convivenza "civile" necessita di regole o vige la legge del più forte) ma il libero arbitrio implica solo che io sono libero di scegliere, le conseguenze sono un altro aspetto.

Ovviamente IMHO / AMMP :)

Ciao :si:, Gianluca
 
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Derrick

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Condivido il discorso, non capisco solo perchè il giudice sta a Berlino...

E' una frase fatta, per esprimere fiducia nella giustizia. Il poliziotto ti fa la multa, ti arresta ecc. ma poi alla fine c'è un giudice che decide e se tu sei sicuro del tuo diritto, della tua buona fede, confidi in quel giudice.
L'origine del detto è oscura ma comunque tedesca, derivante da un episodio letterario con possibili agganci nella realtà.

http://espresso.repubblica.it/opini...news/il-cavaliere-il-mugnaio-l-italia-1.57657

Brecht l'ha inclusa in una sua opera ed è arrivata in Italia. Non si può italianizzare in "c'è un giudice a Roma" perché non sarebbe rispondente al senso originario :)
 
Bè ma non è proprio lo stesso.Perchè se mi faccio male lo Stato ha il dovere di soccorrermi perchè lo pago.Se guido pericolosamente o fumo in luoghi inadatti potrei fare del male a terzi, quindi il discorso del libero arbitrio è poco sostenibile, perchè c'è pure da considerare il libero arbitrio dell'altro.
se fai del male a qualcun altro infatti vieni sanzionato.
non puoi tirar sotto uno con la macchina, così come non puoi fumare in un bar o lungo pubblico... ma alla stessa maniera in escursione non puoi accoltellare l'amico che rompe.
stai facendo paragoni che non c'entrano niente.
quello che sto dicendo io è che sei giustamente libero di fare quello che ti piace, purché tu non faccia del male agli altri e non sia un modo diretto per togliersi la vita.
fumare una sigaretta non è diverso dal tuo andare in escursione, sono tutte e due cose non indispensabili che si fanno per piacere personale e che comportano rischi.
 
io comunque come EDC attualmente sto usando questo, anche ad altri occhi sembra molto innocuo e anche abbastanza elegante

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se fai del male a qualcun altro infatti vieni sanzionato.
non puoi tirar sotto uno con la macchina, così come non puoi fumare in un bar o lungo pubblico... ma alla stessa maniera in escursione non puoi accoltellare l'amico che rompe.
stai facendo paragoni che non c'entrano niente.
quello che sto dicendo io è che sei giustamente libero di fare quello che ti piace, purché tu non faccia del male agli altri e non sia un modo diretto per togliersi la vita.
fumare una sigaretta non è diverso dal tuo andare in escursione, sono tutte e due cose non indispensabili che si fanno per piacere personale e che comportano rischi.
E' difficile parlare di indispensabilità delle cose perchè è un argomento sommamente soggettivo,se poi andiamo a vedere di indispensabile c'è veramente poco. Uno adora certe cose un altro le odia,bisogna conciliare ma non è facile.Chi a mai parlato di accoltellare qualcuno! Tutto comporta rischi, ma mandarsi apposta il fumo nei polmoni o correre con l'auto non mi pare proprio che si come andare in escursione.Comunque si parlava solo per dire che il porto di lame di minima misura dovrebbe essere consentito senza ancora rifarsi a regole ottocentesche.Ciao
 
Ma il libero arbitrio non cambia concettualmente, cambiano le conseguenze e gli effetti.

Si dovrebbe parlare del diritto di poter fare qualsiasi cosa e allora si potrebbe parlare di reciprocità ovvero che la mia libertà non debba ledere la tua libertà (cosa puramente teorica poichè una convivenza "civile" necessita di regole o vige la legge del più forte) ma il libero arbitrio implica solo che io sono libero di scegliere, le conseguenze sono un altro aspetto.

Ovviamente IMHO / AMMP :)

Ciao :si:, Gianluca
Hai regione però molte volte le nostre sacrosante scelte di vita dispiacciono a qualcuno.E' difficile separare causa e effetto.Ciao
 
io comunque come EDC attualmente sto usando questo, anche ad altri occhi sembra molto innocuo e anche abbastanza elegante

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Ecco!! Perchè deve essere assolutamente proibito portare un temperino così.Ciao
 
E' difficile parlare di indispensabilità delle cose perchè è un argomento sommamente soggettivo,se poi andiamo a vedere di indispensabile c'è veramente poco. Uno adora certe cose un altro le odia,bisogna conciliare ma non è facile.Chi a mai parlato di accoltellare qualcuno! Tutto comporta rischi, ma mandarsi apposta il fumo nei polmoni o correre con l'auto non mi pare proprio che si come andare in escursione.Comunque si parlava solo per dire che il porto di lame di minima misura dovrebbe essere consentito senza ancora rifarsi a regole ottocentesche.Ciao
e perché dovrebbe essere diverso?
sono tutte e due cose che si fanno per piacere personale e per le quali, potendo scegliere, si eviterebbero gli effetti collaterali.
il mio appunto è semplicemente sul tuo primo pensiero che è frutto di una visione parziale delle cose... tu stigmatizzi chi fuma, chi fuma probabilmente stigmatizza chi va in montagna.
basta guardare i commenti quando qualcuno si fa male in montagna, sicuramente molti fumano eppure si sentono in diritto di criticare perché per loro andare in montagna è pericoloso.
a me sembra che questo tipo di critica verso il modo di vivere degli altri dovrebbe essere evitata, come dice la massima "vivi e lascia vivere".
 
e perché dovrebbe essere diverso?
sono tutte e due cose che si fanno per piacere personale e per le quali, potendo scegliere, si eviterebbero gli effetti collaterali.
il mio appunto è semplicemente sul tuo primo pensiero che è frutto di una visione parziale delle cose... tu stigmatizzi chi fuma, chi fuma probabilmente stigmatizza chi va in montagna.
basta guardare i commenti quando qualcuno si fa male in montagna, sicuramente molti fumano eppure si sentono in diritto di criticare perché per loro andare in montagna è pericoloso.
a me sembra che questo tipo di critica verso il modo di vivere degli altri dovrebbe essere evitata, come dice la massima "vivi e lascia vivere".
Evidentemente non sono chiaro o tu prendi male quello che vorrei dire,non stigmatizzo chi vuole fumare, ma se mi appesta l'ambiente in cui stanno altri ecco lì che il virtuoso vivi e lasci vivere non può esistere.Come non può esistere tolleranza con chi si mette alla guida in condizioni pietose. I commenti fatti da alcuni sugli incidenti in montagna certo sono antipatici tipo"Se ne stassero a casa" ma basta rispondere che fino a che con le nostre tasse paghiamo dei soccorritori è più che giusto che se qualcuno si fa male venga soccorso.Ma questo vale per ogni altra attività che non sia l'andare al lavoro e tornare...comunque io fumo pipa e toscani e vado in escursione.Ciao
 
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